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		<title>Comment on In Defence of Multi-Culturalism by Joe Polito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Polito</dc:creator>
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		<description>Perhaps I should have given the entire quote from Hutcheon :
The evolution of multiculturalism provides us with a fascinating study of the transformation of an idea for social reform based on the premise of equality of opportunity for individuals regardless of biological inheritance or ancestral history into its precise opposite: the idea of equality of results for ethnic groups, at the price of sacrificing hard-won individual rights.

She was saying that the equality of results approach contradicts Martin Luther King&#039;s dream of people being assessed by the &quot;content of their character&quot; rather than their group identity!

The equality of results approach has a great downside. It actually contributes to disharmony. It is based on the same group identity politics that leads to discrimination, resentment, and debates about who has the better case for privileged treatment. In fact all humanity can make a case for equality of results because of disadvantages in the past. In Canada&#039;s past, many people from the French and English community experienced barriers because of class, religion and ethnicity.

Almost all humans can go back just a few generations and list ancestors who were serfs, slaves, persecuted, ... . For thousands of years slavery was legal; it was rule of the people over rule of law; it was rule of the aristocrat, the emperor, the conqueror, the czar, the warlord, the Caesar, the theocracy, .... there was no democracy to speak of until a little over 200 years ago and it has spread and improved steadily. 
Adam Hochschild is twice the winner of the Lionel Gelber prize. His latest winner is Bury the Chains about the beginning of anti-slavery laws. When the movement began in England a little over 200 years ago, 3/4 of the world was in some kind of servitude. People were essentially enslaved all over the world, often by their own. 

There is a good review of the book at this link by Michael O&#039;Brien:
http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/world-news/4561-new-president.html

Until the 60&#039;s immigration in Canada and the U.S. was much more selective. And many of those immigrants were subject to very overt barriers. My family came from Sicily at the end of the 19th century. They were subject to overt discrimination in Toronto the Orange. Many of their friends were interned in WW11. My grandfather would have been, but for some tips from a friendly Irish cop who shopped in his little fruit store. 

Once it opened up, it was on the basis that by merit, new communities who did not see themselves here in Canada - in the school teachers, in the justice system, in the politicians, in the workplace, ... could still do fine. And they did. In fact because of certain cultural traditions and values, some communities outperformed the average Canadian born citizen. The percentage of some communities in elite professions is above average. 

Those who argue that new Canadians should see themselves need to see themselves in major institutions like education, justice, health, politics ... are actually practicing the very thinking that leads to discrimination, and it says they are different, they are stereotypable. Those who say that the schools must be culturally relevant to all the different communities, are saying the old bigots were right - these people are different - they can&#039;t succeed in the Canadian culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I should have given the entire quote from Hutcheon :<br />
The evolution of multiculturalism provides us with a fascinating study of the transformation of an idea for social reform based on the premise of equality of opportunity for individuals regardless of biological inheritance or ancestral history into its precise opposite: the idea of equality of results for ethnic groups, at the price of sacrificing hard-won individual rights.</p>
<p>She was saying that the equality of results approach contradicts Martin Luther King&#8217;s dream of people being assessed by the &#8220;content of their character&#8221; rather than their group identity!</p>
<p>The equality of results approach has a great downside. It actually contributes to disharmony. It is based on the same group identity politics that leads to discrimination, resentment, and debates about who has the better case for privileged treatment. In fact all humanity can make a case for equality of results because of disadvantages in the past. In Canada&#8217;s past, many people from the French and English community experienced barriers because of class, religion and ethnicity.</p>
<p>Almost all humans can go back just a few generations and list ancestors who were serfs, slaves, persecuted, &#8230; . For thousands of years slavery was legal; it was rule of the people over rule of law; it was rule of the aristocrat, the emperor, the conqueror, the czar, the warlord, the Caesar, the theocracy, &#8230;. there was no democracy to speak of until a little over 200 years ago and it has spread and improved steadily.<br />
Adam Hochschild is twice the winner of the Lionel Gelber prize. His latest winner is Bury the Chains about the beginning of anti-slavery laws. When the movement began in England a little over 200 years ago, 3/4 of the world was in some kind of servitude. People were essentially enslaved all over the world, often by their own. </p>
<p>There is a good review of the book at this link by Michael O&#8217;Brien:<br />
<a href="http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/world-news/4561-new-president.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/Morgellons-Message-Board/world-news/4561-new-president.html</a></p>
<p>Until the 60&#8242;s immigration in Canada and the U.S. was much more selective. And many of those immigrants were subject to very overt barriers. My family came from Sicily at the end of the 19th century. They were subject to overt discrimination in Toronto the Orange. Many of their friends were interned in WW11. My grandfather would have been, but for some tips from a friendly Irish cop who shopped in his little fruit store. </p>
<p>Once it opened up, it was on the basis that by merit, new communities who did not see themselves here in Canada &#8211; in the school teachers, in the justice system, in the politicians, in the workplace, &#8230; could still do fine. And they did. In fact because of certain cultural traditions and values, some communities outperformed the average Canadian born citizen. The percentage of some communities in elite professions is above average. </p>
<p>Those who argue that new Canadians should see themselves need to see themselves in major institutions like education, justice, health, politics &#8230; are actually practicing the very thinking that leads to discrimination, and it says they are different, they are stereotypable. Those who say that the schools must be culturally relevant to all the different communities, are saying the old bigots were right &#8211; these people are different &#8211; they can&#8217;t succeed in the Canadian culture.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defence of Multi-Culturalism by romeshhca</title>
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		<dc:creator>romeshhca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 03:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment Joe,
I agree with much of your comment. However the challenge is how to create that just society you describe. Do we actively push multi-culturalism (quotas/equality of results) or passively wait for the needed changes to diffuse through?

While I think there are flaws with either approach, what I do agree with is that it the challenges of multi-culturalism are felt in all parts of the Canadian societal fabric. I am particularly concerned with ethnic politics, where political parties skew policies to that of particular demographics, regardless if the substance those policies reflect what it means to be Canadian.

Thanks again for the comment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment Joe,<br />
I agree with much of your comment. However the challenge is how to create that just society you describe. Do we actively push multi-culturalism (quotas/equality of results) or passively wait for the needed changes to diffuse through?</p>
<p>While I think there are flaws with either approach, what I do agree with is that it the challenges of multi-culturalism are felt in all parts of the Canadian societal fabric. I am particularly concerned with ethnic politics, where political parties skew policies to that of particular demographics, regardless if the substance those policies reflect what it means to be Canadian.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the comment!</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Defence of Multi-Culturalism by Joe Polito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Polito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 02:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me say, I saw you on the Agenda and I was quite impessed with what you and the other young people said.

The issue of Multiculturalism is needlessly complex. It is a result of the reality that many communities have contributed to Canada&#039;s development, and a result of  a new paradigm of nation building.  Rather than ethnic nationalism and other kinds of group identities, the foundation of building Canada is civic nationalism and the rule of law.

Multiculturalism is not a goal but a result of a just society. It is the result of accepting immigrants and job applicants on their individual merits, rather than their group identities. The late professor Pat Duffy Hutcheon described multiculturalism as the &quot;equality of opportunity for individuals regardless of biological inheritance or ancestral history.” That concept is a challenging adjustment to older Canadians and to immigrants whose cultures discriminated by class, cast, ethnicity, religion, gender, etcetera.
 
Multiculturalism can be undermined by the old way of thinking. Those who demand &#039;equality of results&#039; and quotas for their group identity, are promoting a disharmonious &#039;us versus them&#039; ethnic nationalism, and a resentment of the ‘other’.

In fact they are using many of the same arguments that Pearson and Trudeau attempted to disprove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me say, I saw you on the Agenda and I was quite impessed with what you and the other young people said.</p>
<p>The issue of Multiculturalism is needlessly complex. It is a result of the reality that many communities have contributed to Canada&#8217;s development, and a result of  a new paradigm of nation building.  Rather than ethnic nationalism and other kinds of group identities, the foundation of building Canada is civic nationalism and the rule of law.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism is not a goal but a result of a just society. It is the result of accepting immigrants and job applicants on their individual merits, rather than their group identities. The late professor Pat Duffy Hutcheon described multiculturalism as the &#8220;equality of opportunity for individuals regardless of biological inheritance or ancestral history.” That concept is a challenging adjustment to older Canadians and to immigrants whose cultures discriminated by class, cast, ethnicity, religion, gender, etcetera.</p>
<p>Multiculturalism can be undermined by the old way of thinking. Those who demand &#8216;equality of results&#8217; and quotas for their group identity, are promoting a disharmonious &#8216;us versus them&#8217; ethnic nationalism, and a resentment of the ‘other’.</p>
<p>In fact they are using many of the same arguments that Pearson and Trudeau attempted to disprove.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Campaigning 101: How (Not) To Give a Campaign Speech by Tweets that mention From my blog: Campaigning 101: How (Not) To Give a Campaign Speech -- Topsy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tweets that mention From my blog: Campaigning 101: How (Not) To Give a Campaign Speech -- Topsy.com</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Conor Cronin, Romesh Hettiarachchi. Romesh Hettiarachchi said: From my blog: Campaigning 101: How (Not) To Give a Campaign Speech http://is.gd/f4c4K [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Conor Cronin, Romesh Hettiarachchi. Romesh Hettiarachchi said: From my blog: Campaigning 101: How (Not) To Give a Campaign Speech <a href="http://is.gd/f4c4K" rel="nofollow">http://is.gd/f4c4K</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Question to the Atheist by romeshhca</title>
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		<dc:creator>romeshhca</dc:creator>
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		<description>Think about it differently.

One of the most important principles of an atheist is the paramountcy of reason; anything that cannot be proved rationally or through science should be not believed in i.e. God/religious belief

To the atheist schema, the act of religious faith/belief represents an intellectual deficiency - the religious believer R really has not given though to their beliefs... if R did, R would see the error in their ways.

It is to that extent that the atheist believer is condescending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it differently.</p>
<p>One of the most important principles of an atheist is the paramountcy of reason; anything that cannot be proved rationally or through science should be not believed in i.e. God/religious belief</p>
<p>To the atheist schema, the act of religious faith/belief represents an intellectual deficiency &#8211; the religious believer R really has not given though to their beliefs&#8230; if R did, R would see the error in their ways.</p>
<p>It is to that extent that the atheist believer is condescending.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Question to the Atheist by an atheist</title>
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		<dc:creator>an atheist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 04:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheists, as a group, are condescending? 

Is there anything to substantiate such a claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists, as a group, are condescending? </p>
<p>Is there anything to substantiate such a claim?</p>
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		<dc:creator>an atheist</dc:creator>
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		<description>Atheists, as a group, are condescending? 

Is there anything to substantiate such a claim?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists, as a group, are condescending? </p>
<p>Is there anything to substantiate such a claim?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Difficulty of Thinking Big by John Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Henderson</dc:creator>
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		<description>Romesh,
I AM INSPIRED!
You touch on many values and beliefs I hold dear to my being.
Let me build on your thoughts:
When working with new Sales Consultants we use a saying &quot;It&#039;s hard to soar like an eagle when you&#039;re haning with turkeys&quot;. RH &quot;It is so difficult to think big when everyone around is thinking small&quot;. 
I saw a quote in an executives office once and it stuck with me all these years. I may not get it exact but in context here&#039;s what it said, &quot;When you are gone no one will remember the size of your house, what car you drove, or how much you accumulated in life. How-ever if you can make a difference in just one child&#039;s life this will be remembered&quot;!
RH, &quot;people and decisions building me up in ways I cannot fathom&quot;
Dr. Robert Cialdini in his book Influence, when referring to the principle of RECIPROCITY says &quot;don&#039;t go into a room of people and look for who can help you, rather ask yourself who in this room can I help&quot;.
I also love your references to &quot;CHOICE&quot;. It is a choice we make with each person we come in contact with, what we say, what we do, to impact them. 
It is sad why so many choose to bring others down?
Know that the time you have taken to send this message (through your website) has a made a positive difference to me.....and I am going to pass it on to others.
Well done and thanks
John
PS: I am working from home today and will be watching Big Fish as I do :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romesh,<br />
I AM INSPIRED!<br />
You touch on many values and beliefs I hold dear to my being.<br />
Let me build on your thoughts:<br />
When working with new Sales Consultants we use a saying &#8220;It&#8217;s hard to soar like an eagle when you&#8217;re haning with turkeys&#8221;. RH &#8220;It is so difficult to think big when everyone around is thinking small&#8221;.<br />
I saw a quote in an executives office once and it stuck with me all these years. I may not get it exact but in context here&#8217;s what it said, &#8220;When you are gone no one will remember the size of your house, what car you drove, or how much you accumulated in life. How-ever if you can make a difference in just one child&#8217;s life this will be remembered&#8221;!<br />
RH, &#8220;people and decisions building me up in ways I cannot fathom&#8221;<br />
Dr. Robert Cialdini in his book Influence, when referring to the principle of RECIPROCITY says &#8220;don&#8217;t go into a room of people and look for who can help you, rather ask yourself who in this room can I help&#8221;.<br />
I also love your references to &#8220;CHOICE&#8221;. It is a choice we make with each person we come in contact with, what we say, what we do, to impact them.<br />
It is sad why so many choose to bring others down?<br />
Know that the time you have taken to send this message (through your website) has a made a positive difference to me&#8230;..and I am going to pass it on to others.<br />
Well done and thanks<br />
John<br />
PS: I am working from home today and will be watching Big Fish as I do <img src='http://www.romeshh.ca/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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